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« on: May 11, 2013, 11:49:06 pm »

My (not so) local dealer has a 2006 K1200S in that beautiful blue/white paint scheme.  8200 miles and according to a friend in Seattle that works at Ride West BMW, it was a press/fleet bike until 2008 when it was sold at a dealer in Daytona, FL.  I *really* like the wedge K1200GT's but those are out of my price range right now.

It appears to be very clean and taken care of.  This bike is speaking to me.  What gives me pause on potentially buying this is the whole final drive thing and increased maintenance.  And while I'd like to be in the position of being free enough to put 20-25k miles a year, I don't anymore.  I will put about 10k or so on whatever I have every year.

Also, I have a Speed Triple that I'll be getting rid of in favor of whatever I buy.  I want a sportbike with luggage which this has.  I just don't know how comfortable it would be on my trip to Colorado in July.

Am I worrying about nothing with the final drive thing?  The maintenance thing has me more gunshy than the final drive.  I'm used to years of Honda and since 2004, Triumphs that are bulletproof.

Ok Beemer guys.  Hammer away.  I want to drink the Kool-aid, but might need to be talked into it!

{Edit} I almost forgot, the bags that come with the bike are those weird looking ones with the black stripes on them. Can you change those out for the solid color ones like the K1200GTs?
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2013, 11:53:18 pm »

Keep the weird looking bags.  Those are the "Sport" bags and they are excellent.  I've been trying to figure out a way to mount a set on my S1000RR.


As to the maintenance, my K12R wasn't any higher maintenance than any other bike I've owned.  It was pretty much bulletproof.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 03:49:11 am »

Great choice!  Thumbsup  I wouldn't worry too much aboot the maintenance,  but that's just me. The bags are tiny, but you'll learn to adapt. I feel that they are more comfortable than the Sprint ST/GT's. Good luck!
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013, 07:57:29 am »

So I guess it's mainly the R bikes that have the final drive issues?  

There's a couple more in the SE that look viable through private sales, I'd just have to sell my Triple first.

Thanks for the responses guys!
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2013, 10:30:20 am »


So I guess it's mainly the R bikes that have the final drive issues?  

There's a couple more in the SE that look viable through private sales, I'd just have to sell my Triple first.

Thanks for the responses guys!



Mostly it was GSA, RT and LT models that usually carried heavy loads.  Add to that the fact that the problems were suffered by less than 1%* of the bikes on the road, and it just isn't as big a concern as people seem to believe.






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In my circle of friends there has been a K1200R, a K1200S, an R1200R and an R1200GS.  Now, recently, a K1300S was added.  Cumulatively we've put over 200,000 miles on this group of bikes and nobody's had any hint of FD failure issues.
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In my circle of friends there has been a K1200R, a K1200S, an R1200R and an R1200GS.  Now, recently, a K1300S was added.  Cumulatively we've put over 200,000 miles on this group of bikes and nobody's had any hint of FD failure issues.


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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013, 07:01:05 pm »


 The bags are tiny


The sport bags aren't as tiny as they look; they'll expand to double or more of the capacity in the most-closed position (enough for a full-faced helmet and then some on each side). They come with fitted drybags which are invaluable in calculating how much you can jam into the cases without a lot of trial and error packing.
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*sniff* *sniff* you forgot my R12S.... Sad

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No, I didn't.  I misidentified it as an R12R, which none of us had.  
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 07:14:55 pm »

The bags are tiny, but you'll learn to adapt.



You can fit a full-face helmet in them in their smallest configuration, so they can't be all that tiny.  Also, the expand to carry a whole lot more if you wish.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 07:23:28 pm »





You can fit a full-face helmet in them in their smallest configuration, so they can't be all that tiny.  Also, the expand to carry a whole lot more if you wish.



The sport bags aren't as tiny as they look; they'll expand to double or more of the capacity in the most-closed position (enough for a full-faced helmet and then some on each side). They come with fitted drybags which are invaluable in calculating how much you can jam into the cases without a lot of trial and error packing.


If you put a full face helmet in them is there room for anything else? Are full face helmets big? All of the K1200/1300S's that I've seen w/ factory bags were half of the size of the bags on my K1600GT & smaller than those on my 1050 Sprint ST & friends of mine that ride it 2 up also need a top box or backpack to bring enough "stuff" even w/ the bags in the extended position. So to me the bags are tiny. But like I said, you can learn to adapt. That was my opinion. Cheers
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 07:26:16 pm »





You can fit a full-face helmet in them in their smallest configuration, so they can't be all that tiny.  Also, the expand to carry a whole lot more if you wish.


I always thought that scooters were small too, but you can put a full face helmet under the seat, so I guess that makes scooters big!  Thumbsdown
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I always thought that scooters were small too, but you can put a full face helmet under the seat, so I guess that makes scooters big!  Thumbsdown



Some of them are huge.  Have you ever seen the Goldwing from Honda?  That thing is way bigger than most motorcycles.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2013, 07:39:00 pm »

I had an 06 for five years and 49,850 miles.  Mine had a few small problems but was largely trouble free. There are some things to be concerned about, but I wouldn't worry about the final drive.  There were some issues with cam chain tensioners, there are updated versions available, and cam chain jump guards were developed.  Some bikes had clutch and gearbox problems (second gear dogs) and fuel strips can quit and leave you without a fuel gauge.  The 06 still has the servo brakes so make sure the system has been maintained with fluid changes.  There have been some fuel leaks due to cracks developing where the fuel line attaches to the plastic base of the fuel pump under the tank.  That's actually been a problem on a few different models.  Some other odds and ends on occasion, but nothing I would consider endemic to the bike.

Do some reading over at http://www.i-bmw.com/ to learn more.

Post up some pics if you get her bought.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2013, 07:50:28 pm »

Bags are smaller than on most bikes but the mounting system is slick and invisible when the bags are off.  Collapsed, each bag holds 17 liters, they expand to 25 liters. They work fine for me but I always travel solo.

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If you put a full face helmet in them is there room for anything else? Are full face helmets big? All of the K1200/1300S's that I've seen w/ factory bags were half of the size of the bags on my K1600GT & smaller than those on my 1050 Sprint ST & friends of mine that ride it 2 up also need a top box or backpack to bring enough "stuff" even w/ the bags in the extended position. So to me the bags are tiny. But like I said, you can learn to adapt. That was my opinion. Cheers


Other than those giant expedition panniers you can put on a GS-type "ride around the world" bike, I have never seen factory bags that would hold a full-face helmet plus much else, unless you packed things carefully in and around the helmet. Same is true for the BMW sport bags. If I am motelling rather than camping, and riding solo, I can fit everything I need for a week on the road in mine. And if you've discovered those amazing innovations called "laundromats," that's enough to ride a lot longer.

My full-face helmets are Nolan flip-ups, which are somewhat bulkier than my old Shoei full-faces. They fit with ease.

For camping or 2-up touring I also have a Shad 50-liter topbox (half the price of the BMW-branded topcases, many of which are also manufactured by Shad), which you too can add to any K-bike and which effectively erases any handicap the sport bags might inflict.

Getting militant about eliminating over-packing also helps.
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2013, 11:19:23 pm »



Post up some pics if you get her bought.


Oh, I most definitely will if that happens.  There are a couple others in the Southeast, one being already fitted with Helibars (which would be my first mod if I buy one).  But since Stripes won't get off his duff and buy my Speed Triple, I might be forced to do the dealer trade-in thing.

We'll see.  There's a K1200GT at a dealer in SC also.  I'm all over the map lately.

Mucho thanks for all the help!
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2013, 11:33:00 pm »


.......one being already fitted with Helibars (which would be my first mod if I buy one)......
Mucho thanks for all the help!

If you end up needing Heli-bars give me a shout.  I purchased my K1300S used with them installed but I went back to stock after I brought it home.  They'll fit the 1200S and they're just sitting here on a shelf, maybe we can work out a deal.

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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2013, 11:45:35 pm »

Bottom line: Don't let FD issues sway you if that's the bike you really want. The number of failures is very small like miles said, and typically affects the larger bikes. Yes, I know a number of folks who have had FD failures on beamers, so it does happen. The most recent I heard of was a k1600gt with less than 15k on it. I have never heard of it happening on the k12/13s though.

Also, if you think the bags won't be big enough, can add a Givi trunk to it  Shrug

So yeah - if the bike moves you, I say get it  Thumbsup
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If you end up needing Heli-bars give me a shout.  I purchased my K1300S used with them installed but I went back to stock after I brought it home.  They'll fit the 1200S and they're just sitting here on a shelf, maybe we can work out a deal.

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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2013, 10:23:25 am »

I posted this in another thread, but I was talking to a tech while looking at the new water cooled heads 2013 R1200GS and the issue of FD failures came up.  His shop is convinced it's over shimed bearings.  They got a hold of a GS that went through two final drives set to factory specs.  They put one in and didn't shim it as tight. It had over 65k on it I believe with zero issues so far.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2013, 09:10:38 am »


My (not so) local dealer has a 2006 K1200S in that beautiful blue/white paint scheme.  8200 miles and according to a friend in Seattle that works at Ride West BMW, it was a press/fleet bike until 2008 when it was sold at a dealer in Daytona, FL.  I *really* like the wedge K1200GT's but those are out of my price range right now.

It appears to be very clean and taken care of.  This bike is speaking to me.  What gives me pause on potentially buying this is the whole final drive thing and increased maintenance.  And while I'd like to be in the position of being free enough to put 20-25k miles a year, I don't anymore.  I will put about 10k or so on whatever I have every year.

Also, I have a Speed Triple that I'll be getting rid of in favor of whatever I buy.  I want a sportbike with luggage which this has.  I just don't know how comfortable it would be on my trip to Colorado in July.

Am I worrying about nothing with the final drive thing?  The maintenance thing has me more gunshy than the final drive.  I'm used to years of Honda and since 2004, Triumphs that are bulletproof.

Ok Beemer guys.  Hammer away.  I want to drink the Kool-aid, but might need to be talked into it!

{Edit} I almost forgot, the bags that come with the bike are those weird looking ones with the black stripes on them. Can you change those out for the solid color ones like the K1200GTs?



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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2013, 09:44:00 am »

Very true. As it stands today, it doesn't look like I'm going to get it. The bike rode well (kinda slow, but I digress <- kidding), but the clutch has a much stiffer pull than me ever-weakening wrist can probably take on a big ride. So I don't think it's going to come home with me. If I were going back to a two bike garage, I'd definitely buy it and get a cheap ST11/13 for touring duty.

So back to the drawing board it seems.


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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2013, 02:18:09 pm »

They do have very stiff clutches, that's for sure.
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Very true. As it stands today, it doesn't look like I'm going to get it. The bike rode well (kinda slow, but I digress <- kidding), but the clutch has a much stiffer pull than me ever-weakening wrist can probably take on a big ride. So I don't think it's going to come home with me. If I were going back to a two bike garage, I'd definitely buy it and get a cheap ST11/13 for touring duty.

So back to the drawing board it seems.

I test rode both an '05 K1200S and a demo '12 K1300S, and I don't remember the clutch being stiffer than most other bikes in this engine size range.  Sometimes bleeding the hydraulic clutch or lubing the cable and/or lever could lighten it up.

Hey, it's always fun to look around and try out candidate bikes.  When I knew I got too old to keep riding litre sportbikes, I started looking for more of a "gentleman's sportbike" that can do double as a sport tourer.   I looked at a whole bunch of different bikes from the K12/13S to the more traditional Sport Tourers.  I bought and rode a Sprint ST 1050 first.  Loved the powertrain but didn't care for the spartan packaging.  Traded that in for a C14.  Loved the touring amenities and comfort, but didn't care for the 700 lbs weight and too-upright ergos.  Meanwhile, I also dabbled in the lightweight class, first an FZ1, then now an SV1000S.  I finally traded in the C14 for a VFR1200, which finally hit the sweet spot between sport and touring for me.  I almost pulled the trigger on an '09 K1300S in the gorgeous burnt orange color, but in the end, I just felt the VFR1200 is a bit more refined and the V4 tickles me better than I4's.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2013, 09:56:06 pm »


They do have very stiff clutches, that's for sure.

They do.  On both my 1200 and now the 1300 I changed out the levers ( Wunderlich Vario and Pazzo) to ones with more of a dogleg so the lever was closer to the bar.  It helps with the heavy pull when you have a shorter reach.
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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2013, 02:43:05 pm »

  I saw that bike on their web site and rode up to check it out also, great looking bike. Got home and started researching and the cam chain issues scared me off. Always wanted a BMW, still do but I just can't talk myself into it. Would love to hear some high mile guys speak up. Till then I will keep racking up miles on the Blackbird.
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2013, 04:07:58 pm »


  I saw that bike on their web site and rode up to check it out also, great looking bike. Got home and started researching and the cam chain issues scared me off. Always wanted a BMW, still do but I just can't talk myself into it. Would love to hear some high mile guys speak up. Till then I will keep racking up miles on the Blackbird.

I put 49,850 miles on my 06 before I traded it.  I put on the cam chain jump guard and the new cam chain tensioner.  Never had a problem but I certainly understand your concern. I also realize that's not huge mileage, but its what I have experience with.
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2013, 04:36:46 pm »

The 35,000 miles I put on my K1200R involved no cam chain issues at all.  No new tensioner, nothing.
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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2013, 08:19:17 pm »

A few random thoughts from a 2010 K13S owner:

I wouldn't avoid a BMW due to FD issues any more than I'd avoid a Honda due to rectifiers or a Ducati due to flaking rocker arms and so on. Pretty soon you're limited to a 2005 Concours.  All due respect to Concours owners - we just like to have choices.

IMHO the side bags are small but well engineered.  I never extend 'em out for touring.  You lose some space inside because the side wall is curved to allow it to fit in close against the bike's tail.  Even extended out, I can't fit my XL Shoei Qwest inside.  I recommend finding a good tail pack and you're good to go.  I mean the hobbits hiked all the way to Mordor with way less, right?  As MisterSmooth says, you really just need a cell phone and a credit card.

I'm surprised to hear about the clutch pull -- maybe they changed it from the K12S to the K13S?  Then again, my previous bike was a Duc ST3 with a dry clutch, so anything compares well to that. Plus I think typing on a keyboard all day gives me huge forearm muscles.  Smile

There are plenty of bikes out there that are more comfortable on the long haul or faster through the hairpins, but the K12/13S bikes strike the right balance for me. Plus every now and then you gotta unleash the beast within.

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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2013, 08:35:17 am »


I'm surprised to hear about the clutch pull -- maybe they changed it from the K12S to the K13S?  Then again, my previous bike was a Duc ST3 with a dry clutch, so anything compares well to that. Plus I think typing on a keyboard all day gives me huge forearm muscles.  Smile

They did actually. The K13S has a different size slave cylinder on the clutch to make for a lighter pull. The slave can be retrofitted to a K12 btw.
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2020, 07:57:40 pm »

can anyone tell me with your personal experiences if the Helibars make a difference in touring comfort on the  K 1200 S
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