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« on: August 08, 2013, 11:04:59 pm »

i am planning my first SS1000 attempt during November, Dallas, TX area to Scottsdale, AZ.  I'm usually pretty good about chain cleaning and lubrication, every 500 miles or so.  Should I bring a can of chain lube with me?  By the time I get back home it will be up to 2500 miles total riding.  
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 11:46:13 pm »


Should I bring a can of chain lube with me? 


Yes.

If you don't have a chain oiler you will need to lube. What I do personally is quickly spray the portion of the chain I can see/get to every gas stop. Eventually it all gets lubed. If you make a mess, you can clean it later. If you have a center stand you can spray the whole thing quickly.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2013, 07:15:59 am »

Good luck with the ride. Have fun with it. You will be fine with a quick spray like you are planning.  Remember that dealers sell tiny cans usually.  No need to take the jumbo size!
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2013, 08:23:09 am »

You can but I wouldn't bother.  All the important lube is locked between the O/X rings.  You're not lubing that part anyway.  The only thing you're doing with your lube is keeping surface rust at bay.

I've gone 3-5,000 miles between chain cleanings many times on high quality chains and never suffered reduced chain life.   Shrug


That said, a SS1000 you'll have plenty of time to dilly dally and play with your chain.  Especially in the western states.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2013, 09:31:29 am »

No replies from the "I'll never tour on a chain driven bike" guys? Weird

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2013, 10:41:00 am »


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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2013, 11:24:58 am »


You can but I wouldn't bother.  All the important lube is locked between the O/X rings.  You're not lubing that part anyway.  The only thing you're doing with your lube is keeping surface rust at bay.

I've gone 3-5,000 miles between chain cleanings many times on high quality chains and never suffered reduced chain life.   Shrug


That said, a SS1000 you'll have plenty of time to dilly dally and play with your chain.  Especially in the western states.


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1000-1500 mile days are fine - wipe it down and spray it when you get there to prep for the ride back.

I'd be more concerned about your Hydration plans  - and of course what type of oil you are planning to use.

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2013, 08:21:34 pm »

C'mon guys, takes about two-three minutes to spray the chain every other gas stop. Bigok

 Imo - and if it's raining spraying every gas stop wouldn't hurt.

Again, IMHO it's nice to have a little lube where the links meet the sprocket...
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2013, 08:30:58 pm »

I lube the chain every three fuel stops. I give the chain a tap with the toe of my boot to check the tension every day.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2013, 08:56:21 pm »

It's amazing how little maintenance a modern chain requires.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2013, 09:06:34 pm »

When I was doing my coast-to-coast 3-week vacations on my gsrx750.
I was doing a minimum of 8,000 miles per trip.

And I found it was not distance that wore out chains.
Rather is was conditions of use. With high speed runs and rain doing the most damage.

So I lubed the chain every night. Using this quick stand:
http://www.aerostich.com/quick-stand.html


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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2013, 02:42:29 am »


C'mon guys, takes about two-three minutes to spray the chain every other gas stop. Bigok

 Imo - and if it's raining spraying every gas stop wouldn't hurt.

Again, IMHO it's nice to have a little lube where the links meet the sprocket...


Like I said above, I spray the visible portion every gas stop on a long ride. so eventually it is all getting lubed. But, keep in mind, I run aux fuel, so gas stops are usually at least 250-320 miles apart.

But yeah, lube is good for a chain. You can tell just from the mechanical noise coming from a lubed chain versus a dry chain, that it drastically helps with the metal on metal contact. Not to mention, that it keeps those seals moist that hold the precious lubricant inside the links.  
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 11:15:45 pm »

Thanks all for the input.  I'll probably bring a small can of lube, and will check out the Aerostich quick stand.
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2013, 10:21:40 pm »


C'mon guys, takes about two-three minutes to spray the chain every other gas stop. Bigok

 Imo - and if it's raining spraying every gas stop wouldn't hurt.

Again, IMHO it's nice to have a little lube where the links meet the sprocket...


Yep it ain't rocket science

Although a Pro-Oiler would be advised if you plan on doing a lot of LD riding
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 01:04:05 pm »

Oil that sucker religiously. I learned the hard way on my 17k kms trip thru the states. One roller "froze" then fell, then a second, then a third  
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2013, 04:23:27 pm »

While checking out the Quick Stand from Aerostich I ran across another option that looks even simpler to use.  I have ordered the Pack Jack and will keep it with my touring gear along with the always present small can of chain lube I have with me.  If I am ridiing with someone else I always lever the bike up onto the side stand to the point where the rear wheel spins freely and get my riding partner to spin the tire and lube the chain.  The pack jack looks like a perfect solution for when I'm on the road alone.  I wish I'd thought of it!!  It looks like one of those simple ideas that simply works!!  Check out pack jack at

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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2013, 06:26:41 pm »

With a modern x/o-ring chain, the "lube" is to clean the grit off the outside to reduce external chain wear and chain:sprocket wear. Don't dismiss it it but also don't obsess. Getting an automatic oiler is what most LD riders do if they decide to stick with chain final drives.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2013, 02:37:32 am »

I'm with the "it ain't that big a deal" crowd on this one. Lube it well before the ride and then again afterwards.

When I do long multiple-day trips I lube the chain every couple of days, if I remember. Maybe every day if it's been rainy, but I certainly don't obsess over it. As has been pointed out, modern chains just don't need the attention that they did back in the olden days.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2013, 10:15:08 am »

On trips where you rack up and average of 5-600 miles a day or more, lube everyday and adjust ever couple of days. Do not deviate from this. Replacing a chain on vacation is not fun and can happen, even on a 4 month old bike.



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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2013, 11:48:02 am »


On trips where you rack up and average of 5-600 miles a day or more, lube everyday and adjust ever couple of days. Do not deviate from this. Replacing a chain on vacation is not fun and can happen, even on a 4 month old bike.



Not trying to piss on your cornflakes, but if you need to adj the chain ever couple of days (600 mile day X 3 = 1800miles) Ya might consider buying a better chain and leaving it with a bit more slack.
 
Having an auto chain oiler is the option for the least hassle when on an LD ride if you run a chained bike.  Taking out the obstacles is keen to less stress.

  I have used a Scott-oiler & Pro-Oiler kits as well as carried a can of lube. Each have their advantages and disadvantages.

The can of lube never hurts as a back up but for me I seem to not remember to lube the chain all too often.  I just don't like to have to do maintenance while on a IB LD ride, I would rather be making time than spending time fiddling with the bike.

Scott-oiler is simpler and is easy to set up, but does make a big mess (simple drip with no auto adjustment for speed)

Pro-Oiler is a bit more challenging to install (but not too bad) can be adjusted as you ride (rain/dust/sand/or dry) and varies the amount of oil on speed of the bike/chain. Also uses any kind of oil and a whole lot less than one might think.
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Not trying to piss on your cornflakes, but if you need to adj the chain ever couple of days (600 mile day X 3 = 1800miles) Ya might consider buying a better chain and leaving it with a bit more slack.



This.

If your chain and sprockets are in good repair, unless you're going to go 160mph the whole way, don't worry about lubing and adjusting your chain in the middle of a 1000 mile ride. Obviously there's nothing wrong with doing so, it's just not necessary. What is necessary is to give it a quick inspection every time you stop for fuel. Do this just in case you have an issue (usually presenting as a chain that is considerably looser than it was a couple of hundred miles ago). This shouldn't' happen if your gear is in good form, but anything is possible. As long as it still has the same slack as it did on your last stop, that's all the maint. you need.

Before you leave, make sure that the chain is clean, the sprockets are in good condition, and it's adjusted towards the loose end of the range. The #1 chain killer is adjusting them too tightly. I doubt there's ever been a survey, but I'd bet money that among street bikes that are regularly maintained, at _least_ 70% have a chain that is too tight. Chains are like valves: loose=happy, tight = unhappy*.

Now, if you're going to do 1000 miles+ day after day after day after day, yes some attention is warranted.


* note that 'loose' isn't the same thing as 'waaaaay too loose.' Use some common sense.
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2014, 06:06:01 pm »



Pro-Oiler is a bit more challenging to install (but not too bad) can be adjusted as you ride (rain/dust/sand/or dry) and varies the amount of oil on speed of the bike/chain. Also uses any kind of oil and a whole lot less than one might think.


I have had a Pro-Oiler on my last two chain drive bikes.

I will never own another chain drive bike without one.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2014, 11:10:21 am »

There's a review of the motobrizz oiler on www.longridersradio.com in episode 1 podcast
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2014, 03:18:22 pm »


  Should I bring a can of chain lube with me?    
Sure, but I wouldn't personally bother using it unless you ride in the rain.
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I picked up one of these used for $20.  It's a handy little device

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That's nifty!
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2014, 07:25:02 pm »

As many others said, I sprayed the exposed parts of the chain at every gas stop. I fashioned a pouch on the front of my left side case for quick easy access on iron butt fillups. I never let the chain run dry and it did not require any adjustment for the entire 4800 mile trip. The chain and sprockets had over 10k on them when I started too.

I must admit I'm looking long and hard at the pro oiler though. I'll have another go at the BBG1500 soon and saving those chain spraying seconds might help.
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2014, 01:26:58 am »

My chain maintenance is the same for LD rides as short, day trips - WD40 about every 600km, or every two fillups. That's it. Just keep the chain clean. And I've been rewarded with >80K km chain life. I just installed my third chain on my 95 VFR at 167K km.

With a centrestand it's easy. Hold a cloth under a section of chain and spray. Rotate tire so chain moves away from sprocket teeth on lower rung. Repeat until the entire chain is done and wipe off excess. Give the swingarm a wipe. If you have a riding buddy, have him spin the rear tire while you hold the cloth under the chain and spray. Takes 10 seconds. When you do it this way it's important to rotate the tire as described above so you don't get your fingers caught in the chain.

I prefer a clean chain. The lubes and waxes attract dirt which I think actually shortens chain life. On my old bike, a 89 CBR 600, the first two chains lasted about 16K and 23K km respectively. The bike hasn't been ridden for a couple of years (belongs to my wife now) but has 24K km on the third chain.
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2014, 01:49:05 am »


My chain maintenance is the same for LD rides as short, day trips - WD40 about every 600km, or every two fillups. That's it. Just keep the chain clean. And I've been rewarded with >80K km chain life. I just installed my third chain on my 95 VFR at 167K km.
 

I'm glad YOU brought that up.  Lol On my last trip I kept the chain wet with WD-40. I did add a little Blue PJ-1 once in a while. A recent study featured in Iron Butt Magazine tested the most popular chain lubes and WD-40. The premise: friction = heat. Chains and sprockets were checked by infrared thermometer at certain mileage intervals. Of all the sprays tested, the lowest temperature readings were recorded on the bikes using WD-40 followed by Blue Label PJ-1. Lower still was the Scott oiler with ATF.  

Also, some time ago I remember watching that youtube video where some guy soaked o-rings in the "usual suspects" of chain lubes. The o-ring showing the least swelling/degradation was the one left in the WD-40. So I already knew it was o-ring safe and I'm glad I tried it on my trip.
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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2014, 02:05:51 am »


I'm glad YOU brought that up.  Lol On my last trip I kept the chain wet with WD-40. I did add a little Blue PJ-1 once in a while. A recent study featured in Iron Butt Magazine tested the most popular chain lubes and WD-40. The premise: friction = heat. Chains and sprockets were checked by infrared thermometer at certain mileage intervals. Of all the sprays tested, the lowest temperature readings were recorded on the bikes using WD-40 followed by Blue Label PJ-1. Lower still was the Scott oiler with ATF. 

Also, some time ago I remember watching that youtube video where some guy soaked o-rings in the "usual suspects" of chain lubes. The o-ring showing the least swelling/degradation was the one left in the WD-40. So I already knew it was o-ring safe and I'm glad I tried it on my trip.
Yay, some "scientific" support for my practice.

When I first started riding in 87, the practice as preached in the popular motorcyclst mags was to spray on lots of lube when warm and wipe off the excess. So that's what I did. Result, 16K km chain life.

Then came chain wax. Result, 23K km chain life. An improvement.

Then they started recommending WD40 to keep the clean chain. So I did that with my CBR and my new 95 VFR. And I now get great chain life as noted in my previous post. So that's what I will continue to do because that's what I have found works for me. YMMV.
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