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« on: August 29, 2013, 12:21:58 am »

I stopped by a bike shop today on the way home from work. I was there to look into classes when the owner walked up to me to say hi. Nice guy, we started talking and he gave me the name of the instructor and his number. Great, till he asked what bikes I was looking at. I told him that I was looking at a used DL650 Storm. Here comes the sales pitch. "Your a big guy, why don't you want the 1000? You'll regret not getting in six months." Now I'm 6'3" around 300 lbs., but it has be 20+ years sense I've been on a bike. Am I wrong for looking at the smaller bike, to me a 650 is not that small, if I could, I would go to a 350-450 if I could find one. Why the need for a 1000 so soon?
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 12:25:22 am »

Get the smaller bike.  The power is plenty good enough.  If you're planning on doing a lot of two-up riding you may wish you'd gotten the bigger bike, but otherwise you should be happy on the 650 for the foreseeable future.


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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 12:35:05 am »

At 300lbs, regardless of what you get a bit of suspension work will likely be in order and will reap massive returns.

I'd look at that long before needing more power.


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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 12:37:25 am »

 Larger sales profit margin on the larger cc bike?
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 03:35:58 am »

there is no need for power so soon if, IF, you can afford a trade-in / second bike in 1 or 2 yrs.


at 300 lbs. you're too big for a 650 v-strom as a permanent bike - to judge from my friends and my occasional ride.
since you have historical riding experience, and are > 40 yrs old, the dealer's comment
is accurate as to where you will really be in 2 yrs.   The question is just the path to get there...


650 v-stroms are good bikes and have held their re-sale ability well.
But, if you can control your throttle, and have self-confidence (your call only), then the used 1000 could work.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 03:36:40 am »


 Larger sales profit margin on the larger cc bike?


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That was my first thought as well. ESPECIALLY after knowing that you haven't even taken the class  EEK!
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 04:17:01 am »


At 300lbs, regardless of what you get a bit of suspension work will likely be in order and will reap massive returns.



THIS.

Shock, rear spring, fork revalve, and springs up front.

The standard springs are not going to do the job for you.
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 01:27:03 pm »



THIS.

Shock, rear spring, fork revalve, and springs up front.

The standard springs are not going to do the job for you.


 Withstupid (although he's not stupid)

Agreed. Suspension first. Really no matter your size. Just look into the proper spring rates for your size.

Good on you for taking the class! Get the bike that's a good fit for you, wear your gear and enjoy the open road!  Thumbsup
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2013, 02:07:55 pm »

maybe a bike with more torque rather than BHP? Good learner bikes include Harley's Sportster....
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2013, 02:23:50 pm »


At 300lbs, regardless of what you get a bit of suspension work will likely be in order and will reap massive returns.

I'd look at that long before needing more power.


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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2013, 10:11:29 pm »

You'll be fine on the smaller engine.  I bought a brand new 600cc sport bike as my very first bike and assumed I'd be trading it in a year later once I got used to riding.  11 years later and I'm still on it and loving it.  Sure there is more power out there but 600cc now-a-days is quite the power plant.  

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2013, 10:52:35 pm »

Just go with the 'Busa.  
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2013, 12:09:58 pm »

Just go with the 'Busa.  
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2013, 02:52:10 pm »


Just go with the 'Busa.  


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Honestly? Any bike will have enough power, and it's your first bike, not your last. Buy something affordable, used, and that you can learn on. Figure out what sort of bike you want, what's fun, what type of riding you do. Start with a light bike that you're not afraid to drop, and learn on it then sell it for about what you bought it for and get something else.

At your height, I'd recommend a dual-sport, like a KLR650, DR650, or XR650. Yes, it'll be undersprung, underdamped, and won't be fast. I'll bet you'll have a HOOT on it, learn a /tonne/, and really enjoy it. If you hammer the throttle by mistake, it'll be (relatively) gentle, and the same on the brakes. It's lighter, they're tough as nails, and you can go anywhere.

Get a few thousand miles on it, and then shop for the type of bike you want. In the meantime, test-ride anything you can and find out what fits you and what you like. Once you have your licence and the bike, that all should be easier.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 01:42:18 am »

I started out on a 2000 Katana 750 and it was a lot more difficult to ride, mostly due to high cog, but after 2 years I bought a DL1000. The DL, either one, is a great bike to learn on. Fantastic riding position, good mirrors, stable at low speeds and nimble in the twisties. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the DL1000 and would suggest you look for both used. I see a ton of used DLs traded online.

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2013, 12:39:23 pm »


 Why the need for a 1000 so soon?


Because the new one comes out soon, and he doesn't want this one sitting on the showroom floor. 650 will be more than adequate for some time. Maybe all time. Might be all you'll ever need.
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 05:25:22 pm »


At 300lbs, regardless of what you get a bit of suspension work will likely be in order and will reap massive returns.

I'd look at that long before needing more power.


One more vote here. The motor really isn't all that necessary at first, especially with the torque of a V-twin on the low end. If you're going to invest in anything suspension is the way to go. Also, if you're going to play with the shock a nice upgrade if the shock is rebuildable is to pull it and send it off to Traxxion Dynamics. They resprung my stock shock for my weight and factored in a bit of luggage as well as servicing it while it was torn down, all to the tune of $250. Not quite as nice as a Penske or the like, but it made a whole new maching and has great bang for the buck!
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2013, 05:28:49 pm »

I laugh at those thinking Suzuki's 650 twin isn't enough.  Bigok
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2013, 05:34:53 pm »

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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2013, 09:42:49 am »

That's funny.  I'm LOL.   Anybody here think my Wee can't keep up?   OK.  


When I bought it, the dealer told me I'd be much happier with the 650.  He was right, but then he's known me for a few years and sold more than 1 bike.  He knew if he recommended the wrong bike I might stop coming back.   BTW, I'm 100+ kg in gear.  

The ergos on both bikes are pretty much the same.  

The motor on the 650 is much sweeter.  

Only time you'll miss the power is when you're following a Speed Triple up a mountain pass and he decides to DY pass a line of 6 cars.  But he won't need to slow up long.  My Wee is going on 6 years and I still haven't "grown out" of it.  Spent last weekend riding with 2 bikes that have twice my displacement and had no problems staying together. And we weren't dragging our feet.   It's not about how much power you have; it's all about how you use it.  


Your dealer wants to "sell" a V1000.  Whether that's the right bike for you is up to you.  Just my $0.02
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2013, 02:09:33 pm »


I laugh at those thinking Suzuki's 650 twin isn't enough.  Bigok

I wonder if you did a Venn Diagram, how much overlap you'd get between those that hate the idea of a motorcycle with an automatic transmission, and those who also "need" 1000+ ccs, so they have enough roll-on power without having to downshift.
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I wonder if you did a Venn Diagram, how much overlap you'd get between those that hate the idea of a motorcycle with an automatic transmission, and those who also "need" 1000+ ccs, so they have enough roll-on power without having to downshift.


And you lost most of us with the Venn thingy...
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2013, 08:57:50 pm »


there is no need for power so soon if, IF, you can afford a trade-in / second bike in 1 or 2 yrs.


at 300 lbs. you're too big for a 650 v-strom as a permanent bike - to judge from my friends and my occasional ride.
since you have historical riding experience, and are > 40 yrs old, the dealer's comment
is accurate as to where you will really be in 2 yrs.   The question is just the path to get there...


650 v-stroms are good bikes and have held their re-sale ability well.
But, if you can control your throttle, and have self-confidence (your call only), then the used 1000 could work.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2013, 11:45:56 pm »



I wonder if you did a Venn Diagram, how much overlap you'd get between those that hate the idea of a motorcycle with an automatic transmission, and those who also "need" 1000+ ccs, so they have enough roll-on power without having to downshift.


Lots, I bet.
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2013, 03:36:10 pm »




And you lost most of us with the Venn thingy...


if you're not kidding...

You know what it is just not what it's called.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram
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