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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 10:23:10 pm »

Awesome! A non-track oriented liter bike that doesn't
look like a Transformer. Might actually work.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 11:01:33 pm »

I like it. Ninja 1000 has some competition. Put some bags on it and hit the road. Hope they keep some HP in it and beef up the midrange over the GSXR.





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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 05:25:10 am »

The passenger accommodations don't look inviting.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 09:02:52 am »

Nice styling.  Much better than the GSXR vertically stacked headlights.  Should've used tall clip-ons like the Ninja 1000.  Tubular handlebars just look cheap on a fully faired bike.

Biggest drawback... no apparently provisions for panniers.  I hope I'm wrong about this, but no point to this kinda bike if you can't hang hardbags on it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 08:42:37 pm »


The passenger accommodations don't look inviting.


Agreed.

Announcements about this bike, and it's naked brother, are on the UK Suzuki website but not the US.  
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 09:25:38 pm »


Should've used tall clip-ons like the Ninja 1000.  Tubular handlebars just look cheap on a fully faired bike.


It's a tawdry attempt to draw in those of us holding on to 13 year old Bandits.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2014, 11:37:14 am »

Color me interested.

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2014, 01:56:19 pm »

The best term I have seen used for this type of bikes is ROADSPORT.  The actual definition is kinda vague, but basically it's a sportbike for real world road riding, and less razor-edge performance-focused like the race replicas.  I suspect the typical rider who buys these will ride mostly solo.  Those who need pillion accommodation tend to gravitate toward a larger Sport Tourer anyway.  Keeping the wheelbase tight and the subframe modest help keep roadsport bikes lightweight and better balanced.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 05:52:25 pm »


The best term I have seen used for this type of bikes is ROADSPORT.  The actual definition is kinda vague, but basically it's a sportbike for real world road riding, and less razor-edge performance-focused like the race replicas.  I suspect the typical rider who buys these will ride mostly solo.  Those who need pillion accommodation tend to gravitate toward a larger Sport Tourer anyway.  Keeping the wheelbase tight and the subframe modest help keep roadsport bikes lightweight and better balanced.


FYI, found a local with a VFR1200 for sale... he indicated I could take it for a ride. Will keep you posted. If I love it, I'll have to double my meager efforts to sell the Sprint...

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 06:37:20 pm »


FYI, found a local with a VFR1200 for sale... he indicated I could take it for a ride. Will keep you posted. If I love it, I'll have to double my meager efforts to sell the Sprint...

Speaking of Roadsport... Viffer Grande qualify as one too.  Sure, whether you like it or not, at least you'll have first hand experience.  Bring a tire gauge and check before ride.  You just never know.  I test rode one that felt weird until I figured out both tires were low on pressure.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 08:22:14 am »

Stop calling anything that's not an RR bike any kind of tourer. Sure, use it for touring. Make it fit your needs. I'm all about that.  But a true tourer comes out of the gate with touring capabilities designed in. This doesn't. I don't know why that bothers me so much but it just seems everyone is carrying a major hard on to hold onto the "sport touring" moniker that it's become a game of throwing spaghetti at the wall and waiting for it to finally stick.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 10:50:52 pm »

I like it!   Apparently the engine has similar characteristics as the highly regarded 2005 gsxr1000.  That fairing is  strange looking so one would hope it's both light and effective.   I was surprised to see it and it's smaller sibling up already on the US website.   I'd have either one in a heartbeat.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/GSX-S750/2015/GSXS750Z.aspx


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Stop calling anything that's not an RR bike any kind of tourer. Sure, use it for touring. Make it fit your needs. I'm all about that.  But a true tourer comes out of the gate with touring capabilities designed in. This doesn't. I don't know why that bothers me so much but it just seems everyone is carrying a major hard on to hold onto the "sport touring" moniker that it's become a game of throwing spaghetti at the wall and waiting for it to finally stick.

You are taking the definition thing a bit too seriously.  Exactly how much touring capability does a bike need "designed in" to count as a Sport Tourer?

There are likely as many different opinions of what constitute a Sport Tourer is as there are eyeballs reading these forums.  From reading you past posts, I already know mine is clearly different than yours.

Call it whatever you want; it's what you do on it that defines whether it's a Sportbike, Sport Tourer, Grand Tourer, or Iron-Butt Buddy.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2014, 11:58:29 pm »

Sorry but Cobalt is right on this one, a factory ST comes with luggage.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2014, 12:14:32 am »


Sorry but Cobalt is right on this one, a factory ST comes with luggage.

So none of the VFR's are ST's?  Neither are FZ1, Bandit and Ninja 1000.  Lots of "ST"'s aren't sold with luggage.  I may be wrong, but some yrs of the Sprint ST didn't come with factory panniers.

Hey, I have no problem if that's your definition.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2014, 01:48:28 pm »

The U.S. is one percent of the world motorcycle market.
"Sport-Tourers" are one percent of THAT market.
Arguing definitions is silly at best.

However, I must agree that sport-tourers should at the very least
have factory hard bags available.
That has been the defining characteristic of sport-tourers
for over thirty years.
RS, SP, ZG, ST, et al.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2014, 12:10:56 pm »

Call it what you will. I want a powerful, sporty bike that is comfortable for touring and commuting, e.g., fully faired with decent wind/weather protection. If a top case is not available from the factory, I don't care as long as I can add a rack. Doesn't matter to me if it's a factory ST or what not - it's what I can do with it. Function over form.

FYI, VFR guy flaked on me. WIll have to start my search anew.

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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2014, 05:26:51 pm »


Call it what you will. I want a powerful, sporty bike that is comfortable for touring and commuting, e.g., fully faired with decent wind/weather protection. If a top case is not available from the factory, I don't care as long as I can add a rack. Doesn't matter to me if it's a factory ST or what not - it's what I can do with it. Function over form.

FYI, VFR guy flaked on me. WIll have to start my search anew.

- Dan

Bummer.  Oh well, used VFR1200 do spring up from time to time.  I remember just before I bought mine, there were a whole bunch of leftover '10s, plus a slew of low-miles barely 1-2yr old ones on the market.  Maybe they finally got bought up by riders who actually like it for what it is... not what they thought it was.

What you said is exactly right.  Right after I bought it, first thing I put on my S3R was a SW Motech top rack, so I could mount my Givi top case on it.  I don't much care if it came with racks or bags, as long as I can put one on, and the subframe is stout enough to support hard luggage.   I've got soft panniers for now, but I'm working on a set of racks to hang my Givi V35s.  I know guys who do multi-state tours with their purely naked S3's with nothing but duffle bags basically.  Mine's decked out like a Sprint ST compared to theirs.  Lol

The FZ1, with Givi hard luggage, makes an amazing lightweight sport tourer.  Very similar to the N1K.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2014, 05:40:23 pm »

Yeah, I'm leaning back towards the FZ1 with full fairings, but still intrigued by VFR1200 (have not ridden) or ZX14 (surprisingly refined and more than satisfactory handling).  All 3 can be fashioned into sport tourers. Look at my Tuono:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/dsklap/471EFB00-DB67-4643-AFF0-A36C91A271DD-18087-00001C325DB3E5E9_zpsb7f75265.jpg

I also have throw over bags I've used on occasion. But that bike just isn't for LONG distance. Good for commuting with the topcase.

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2014, 10:35:26 am »

I was very tempted to do exactly that when I had my RSVR Red lion.  If it had been a Tuono Factory, I might have done it and kept it.

All three on your list are great choices, with much greater sporting potential than the big rigs.  Very different engine characteristics though.  Having had all 3 (if you count the C14 as the fat cousin of ZX14), I like them all, but the Honda 76deg V4 is the most engaging motor to me.  

I've always liked the Gixxer 1000 motor.  It has a more linear power delivery than the FZ1's R1 5V engine, and it's smoother than the Ninja 1000.  Hopefully, either Suzuki or the aftermarket will come with hardbag mounts for it.  The subframe looks a bit too much like the GSXR though, so not sure if it'll be practical.  We'll see.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2014, 08:15:02 pm »

That may just be the ugliest motorcycle I've ever seen.  EEK! Has sort of an orca look to it.  I like the idea of the bike, but…..my eyes!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2014, 06:51:23 am »

The fairing looks really bloated.  Maybe that'll mean good wind protection for the legs and hands, but it doesn't look like the windscreen is high enough to keep much wind off of the torso.  I'm really not sure if I like it or hate it.Headscratch
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2014, 10:08:15 pm »

they have the right idea, but...the wrong styling department

(not as hideous on this pic)




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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2014, 07:16:45 pm »

It seems to me that it started with the FZ1, but why do all fairings look like they fell off their anchor points and dropped about 6 inches?  I know it has a lot to do with aerodynamics, but a while back I saw some bike pics where they were photoshopped with the fairings raised vertically about 6 or so inches, and to me they looked much better.  Wind protection looked better also without having to add a stretched windscreen.
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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2014, 07:19:58 pm »

You mean like this?

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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2014, 07:27:20 pm »

I don't think it looks all that terrible.

In fact, it harkens back to my old 1984 FJ1100 and not the current bloated FJR.

Some soft luggage and yer good to go  Smile Thumbsup
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2014, 10:16:33 pm »

I don't think it is a bad looking bike. However, the mirrors being on the bars instead of the fairing looks really odd to me.

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You mean like this?


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Stop calling anything that's not an RR bike any kind of tourer. Sure, use it for touring. Make it fit your needs. I'm all about that.  But a true tourer comes out of the gate with touring capabilities designed in. This doesn't. I don't know why that bothers me so much but it just seems everyone is carrying a major hard on to hold onto the "sport touring" moniker that it's become a game of throwing spaghetti at the wall and waiting for it to finally stick.


Agree... with the complete failure in North American Markets of the GSX1250FA, it seems unlikely that segment is where Suzuki is aimed. The market for mostly sport, middle aged body friendly street bikes is pretty ripe. The success of the S1000R speaks directly to this... 40+ friendly ergos and an engine reconfigured to be more usable in normal street environments by more mature riders. Can't keep them in stock...
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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2014, 10:25:11 am »


You mean like this?





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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2014, 10:27:31 am »


I don't think it looks all that terrible.

In fact, it harkens back to my old 1984 FJ1100 and not the current bloated FJR.

Some soft luggage and yer good to go  Smile Thumbsup



Agreed, but with one caveat. There are no Frankenstein bolts on the back like the older Bandit 1200's had that made soft luggage packing a breeze.
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2015, 09:00:36 pm »

 This thing looks to me like nothing more than a sport bike with handlebars instead of clip-ons. It would be useless for two up and they just had to go with the race bike tail with a silly looking plastic add-on for the tail lights and plate.

 I would like to have something along the lines of a 750cc Bandit S with shaft drive instead of chain and better suspension than the Bandits came with. Plus, enough electric capacity for additional lights a full heated gear.

 






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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2015, 01:04:04 pm »

Man, I REALLY like the looks of this bike, both in terms of its capabilities and the aesthetics.
I would get the red/black version.  Do a tail tidy-up for mo better bad-azzery look.  I'll never ride it with a passenger so that aspect doesn't matter to me.  The vast majority of my riding will be local or day trips.  For the occasional long rides I'd just fit up a set of soft luggage.  Bada-boom, bada-bing.

I checked one out at the dealer and mostly liked what I saw.
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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2015, 10:41:31 am »

I was interested until I read they shortened the stroke of the motor? Why the hell did they do that? It's what made the GSXR so unique and streetable.
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2015, 11:15:16 am »


I was interested until I read they shortened the stroke of the motor? Why the hell did they do that? It's what made the GSXR so unique and streetable.

Who's they?  On this bike, Suzi used the K5 engine, which has been regarded as one of the best GSXR grande engines ever built.

The '09+ GSXR1000 stroke was shortened, yes.
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2015, 08:07:33 pm »

They shortened the stroke of the K5 motor. Why? That was a unique characteristic

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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2015, 12:18:39 pm »

When I first heard of this bike, I was pumped. It looks pretty nice, and uses that beautiful K5.

Why the shortened stroke? I guess they wanted to alter the tuning for more torque lower down the power curve while still having a decent top end. 145HP is not bad, if you ask me.

What has disappointed me is the tail and it's subframe. Kiss hard luggage goodbye with this bike. Suzuki has said there will be no OEM luggage option as the subframe is not substantial enough to support it, and there are no hard points for attaching it. That kills it as a sports touring machine as far as I am concerned.
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2015, 03:30:30 pm »

Still don't see where the "shortened stroke" comes from.  GSXR1000 had the same 73.0 mm × 59.0 mm bore and stroke since the beginning, K1 in 2001.  It wasn't changed until 2009 when it went to 74.5 mm × 57.3 mm.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSX-R1000

GSX-S1000F uses the same 73.0 mm × 59.0 mm "long stroke" K5.  Or I really should say "longer stroke", because even at 73x59mm, it is still a very over-square sportbike engine.  Most riders like it better because the power was more streetable.
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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2015, 03:55:14 pm »

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2014/10/article/2016-suzuki-gsx-s1000f-first-look/

They shortened it. So much Fail, Suzuki
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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2015, 04:06:43 pm »

Just for comparison sake, the Suzuki Bandit 1200(1157cc) had a 79mm   59mm! stroke also. 79mm  59mm! stroke for a litre bike is long.


I can't believe I wrote 79mm       Bandit 1200 is 79mm x 59mm.    
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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2015, 04:17:51 pm »


You need to read it more carefully.  The shortened stroke is on '09+ GSXR1000:

"(In 2009, Suzuki totally revamped the literbike’s engine, adding its crankshaft-end lubrication system, enlarging the bore, shortening the stroke, redesigning the pistons and adding bigger valves)."

The GSX-S1000F uses one from 2005-08:

2016 Suzuki GSX-S1000 F Specifications:
Engine: 4-stroke, 4-cylinder, liquid-cooled, DOHC
Bore × Stroke: 73.4mm x 59 mm (2.9 in. X 2.3 in.)
Displacement: 999cc
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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2015, 11:12:53 am »

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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2015, 05:49:23 am »

Has anyone bought the GSXS1000 yet?  Not the F just the naked version.  I am seriously considering the naked one.  
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